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Should we look at transferring our core guild to a higher-population realm?

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#6722248 Sep 16, 2012 at 04:58 AM
Barely Ewesful
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Hi Guys!

I think Jeff brought up an interesting idea this evening while we raided. Should we stick around on this server, or look at transferring to a server with a bit more activity going on?

Personally, I am happy either way. Most of my online friends are now in this guild, so as long as I'm able to raid with you guys, I'm good. The few friends that I have outside of the raid team I usually catch on Real ID, so I can still chat with them anyway.

I can see that having a more active community is a lot of fun. It encourages guilds to push themselves, and it helps having a larger player base that farms mats or shares ideas your class / alt raids / whatever. I know Jordan would love to have us on Saurfang, but the peak population times there would be pretty different from the peak population times you guys are used to on Perenolde.

If we do look at xferring servers, I'm happy to make it a guild transfer. Give it some thought, let me know what you think!

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#6723487 Sep 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Ewe is a Raider
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I'm kind of on the fence about this. I can see its pluses and its minuses. For those unemployed, like myself, money is an issue, for those with friends outside the guild the cross realm zones, and instances help alleviate that issue of not being able to help out your friends. I am friends with an entire other guild on perenolde, that Spencer, and Mark know, and Anni and Jor might remember a couple of them from Mercs (same with Faw and Austin).

I guess what I'm trying to say, I'd have no problem with moving Ish (beyond the cost at least, but I could likely scrape that together too) if the majority of the group wants to go. I'd enjoy having more stuff in the AH.
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#6726583 Sep 17, 2012 at 04:01 AM · Edited 5 years ago
Ewe is a Raider
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My reasons for having us on Saurfang are mostly personal, I feel like a lack luster GM spending so much time online but not in that guild when others are, and having both groups of my friends together gives us huge player resources for things like RBG and guild leveling and the like, if we ever went full merge. I don't think that's going to happen though.

Cant say how well the population would suit you guys, but there's plenty of people on most times. Ill try get a better feel for the active times etc. The AH is miles ahead of Perenolde, but still miles behind bigger servers, a couple of millionaires on the server.

Going into MoP we have a solid progression 25man on horde, and 3 10mans inc us, with 2 10mans on Alliance, all who will be pushing top 1000 world rank kills, with the pointy end at ~500.

The forums are pretty active, plenty of trolls, but they are harmless, the mood is much lighter than the trolls on perenolde forums.

Theres also plenty of extra happenings. Org was recently occupied by Alliance for about 3 hours. And Horde clear out SW after a big raid boss kill or server first.

An extra fun thing happening at the moment is cooking competitions. A recipe is posted and everyone gets cooking and posts photos, with gold up for grabs. The mentor guild thing I wanted to merge for happened, went to a slightly more populated guild than us, people I raided 25s with in Wrath, and they are making use of their Mentor and MVP status by running stuff like this.
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#6728564 Sep 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Ewe is a Raider
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im happy to change servers if the group wants to..im pretty short cash but could probably scrape it together. in reference to where we go i would like a peak american server...sorry kiwi buddies :). if were gonna move id like it to be somewhere that we have peak population when most of us play. as far as the auction houses we can research that as well to find the ones most competive. but in the end i will go where the guild decides to go. a completely fresh start on a new realm sounds hella fun.
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#6728706 Sep 17, 2012 at 01:01 PM
Ewe is a Raider
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Even is we did leave; when and where will be the hardest to pick from. I will not move to a server that is on the same battlegroup as perenolde. High population is good, but I would recomend not leaving until we lvl our toons. Going to a high population to fight for quest itmes would not be good until we get our toons and guild lvled up.
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#6729400 Sep 17, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Ewe is a Raider
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Ok, did a bit of checking today with Lune and Mark. Out of the 4 data centers (LA, Phoenix, Chicago, and New York), LA or Phoenix seems to be the best bet, as 8 of the 10 of us are in Mountain, or Pacific Time zone (once Mark goes to New Mexico at least), and the 2 kiwi have a slightly shorter route to get to LA or Phoenix. Reasoning behind the datacenter choices, ping to Perenolde for me is around 40ms, ping to Area 52 server (in NY datacenter) more than quadrupled to around 160ms.

The three of us in vent also seem to prefer a PvE realm, while we have a few of us who like to PvP, we seem to like it on our time and choosing. Timezone wise, with 8 of us in either pacific, or mountain time, choosing a server in that time seems to make sense as well (even though we'll raid when it is convenient for all of us)

With these criteria in mind (LA or Phoenix Datacenter, PvE realm, more overall people, with even horde/alli ratio up to horde dominated)

Hyjal server seems to be the best within those criteria. The AH is more than twice the size of perenolde. there were more than 50 85s sitting in Org, during mid day on a monday. guildox reports the lvl 85 pop at 39k vs 23k for perenolde

Thrall server, while in the NY data center, it has a slightly higher 85 pop at 41k. again, more than 50 lvl 85s sitting in Org monday mid day. Marks ping was 139/142, checked my own ping, it was 98, so even a NY data center appears to be viable. (In same Battlegroup as Mal'Ganis, and Vellissia LOL)

With the apparent viability of NY Data centers, that opens up Area-52 server. My ping to Area-52 is 101, just barely above the 98 to Thrall. Area-52 is one of the largest pop servers with 67k lvl 85s. very heavily horde dominated. The AH on Area 52 is almost 5 times the size of Perenolde. Also, for those who desire a clean break from anything perenolde, Area 52 is home to Vo, Yepahar, and Flecks on a few alts.

According to realmpop.com the servers I've mentioned rank as follows overall (in the US region for overall size)

Area 52 #7
Thrall #26
Hyjal #30
Perenolde # too far down to friggin count, but in the bottom third of the overall list of nearly 250 realms.

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#6729824 Sep 17, 2012 at 05:31 PM
Ewe is a Raider
21 Posts
My thoughts on this issue are:

1. I'm a little leery of going to an Oceanic server as my only server.
2. I agree that waiting till after we level is a good idea. It gives time to see if Blizzard is going to do anything like possibly server merges once they have an idea of their subscription activity.

3. More to come but Theramore scenario awaits.
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#6730010 Sep 17, 2012 at 06:28 PM
Ewe is a Member
20 Posts
Mr Grubbs hates moving, it's all the packing and stuff, he doesn't have any arms.

I personally think you people are out of your minds. Leaving perenolde just leads to returning to perenolde.

why don't we just start a perenolde viral online marketting campaign and get people to move here. We just need to make it seem like there's lots of girls that play on perenolde.. or swifty.

you guys have got to stop chasing greener pastures and help pimp out the noodle, tis our home!8)

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#6730023 Sep 17, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Ewe is a Raider
53 Posts
Lol Salvian, having moved off Perenolde and only coming back to raid with these friendlies of mine, I can safely say I would not miss it one bit.
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#6730753 Sep 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Ewe is a Raider
17 Posts
Money for Jeanette and I is a serious issue, together it would cost us $125-$150 to move what we would want to move. Along with Jeff, we have reservations about moving to an oceanic server as our primary server. I mean, whats the point of moving if everone there is asleep or at work when we're on.

It seems like were moving to find more people. If that's the case then we should pick a high population server in the LA or Phoenix area. I feel like moving from a medium pop to a medium pop kind of redundant as a small swing in player base would put us right back into the spot we're trying to get away from.

That said, y'all are pretty much the extent of my social life. Where you go, I'll pretty much follow out of fear of losing my friends. >.<
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#6730885 Sep 18, 2012 at 12:18 AM
Ewe is a Raider
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Im pretty passive about a server switch. To be honest...the only reason i log on really is to play with you guys. I dont have the time to do alot of the other stuff anymore. I have no problem switching, doesnt really matter to me where or when, as long as we still get to raid together.
But like others have said...i think it makes sense to switch to a similar time zoned realm if the high population is what we are searching for. Its up to you guys...im along for the ride.
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#6730900 Sep 18, 2012 at 12:23 AM
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Hey Ishy, great post! It's good to see that you and Mark had a look at which servers we might move to. Looking further into Hyjal, it looks like their Horde side is very active and there are plenty of progression guilds, with one that is currently far ahead of everyone else (world ranking of 174). Another 4 still look reasonably progression-orientated, but not nearly as much as the first.

Their WoW forums look reasonably active, with 4-5 posts each day, so chances are the community is pretty active also.

I prefer not to have a New York data centre, as we Kiwis already experience plenty of lag just getting to L.A. (our ping is usually 150-200 on Perenolde and Saurfang--both of which are L.A.-based).

Anyway, this makes me lean toward Hyjal.

If we do decide to transfer and money is the main issue, Jordan and I are happy to help pay for the transfer of 2-3 toons (please no more than one toon per customer though). :)
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#6732713 Sep 18, 2012 at 09:40 AM
Ewe is a Raider
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Well, Jeanette and I at least have the money. It's just not something to be taken lightly. I guess I'm using the financial stand as a way of making sure that it's a good move and we're not just throwing darts at servers until we get a bullseye. Ishy, lune and I spent some time last night looking around. After checking out Area 52, I don't think it'll work for us w/ 100 or so ping for me and most likly far more for y'all. So today I'll check thrall and hyjal post some more.
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#6732898 Sep 18, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Ewe is a Raider
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The 3 that I listed in the post, while they appear to be the most viable, are not our only options. The site I used had horde:alli ratios, if they were in red, it meant at least 51% horde. 50:50 splits were still in blue, I skipped over servers with ratios not listed in red.

When I get back today I'll check again and try to pay more attention to pve servers with 50:50, because I assume we don't want to go to another alli dominated server?
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#6733814 Sep 18, 2012 at 01:01 PM
Blistter
I'm not super involved with you guys, but I would hate to see you go. I understand the situation. I think if Blizz opened cross server raiding of current content it would help in some ways, but I can also see where it would cause problems.

I would also love to see server mergers, but i doubt that will happen any time soon.

My shell-fish vote: Stay. You should also change your raid times to fit MY schedule. Oh and kick somebody out of your raid so I can come. I would also like some ice cream. :P Just kidding. You guys are great. I'm sure you will kill lots of dragons where ever you are.

Blistter


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#6734011 Sep 18, 2012 at 01:44 PM
Ewe is a Member
20 Posts
Yep, i'm with blistter. While i'm hardly ever on lately, i'm going to shell fishly say that i'll miss you guys if you leave.

I know you guys don't understand my situation in the guild, but my real life just hasn't had the regularity that I can commit to a schedule lately, that may change, i don't know yet.

So yar, I wish the best for you raiders, and I hope you figure out a solution that leads to you getting the best value from your $15 per month. But I'm hoping you can find a solution that doesn't require you to leave. But if you do find a place you'd rather be i'll understand. But don't ask me not to pout.
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#6734298 Sep 18, 2012 at 02:51 PM
Ewe is a Raider
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You don't need the server to be positive horde to alli ratio, if anything the bigger faction often carries more than their fair share of the fat. Perenolde just has such a low population in general that the gap is much more apparent. Some servers are a lost cause at like 1:0.001 - 3:2, but I wouldn't discount others on that basis.

For Naj and I it needs to be a west coast server, lower ping services will help you guys if you want to improve you ping, but honestly anything under 150 feels the same to me. Lower ping doesn't help from here because 95% of the ping comes from crossing the pacific, which doesn't care if you use a proxy or not. I guess by that logic we could use one and play on a central server, ill log onto one and see what its like, if you guys see your pings ranging as much as you say though Ishy, I hate to add a leg across the states to our absolute minimum 160ms we currently get for getting to the states.
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#6734593 Sep 18, 2012 at 04:00 PM
Ewe is a Raider
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Oh, I agree. Ping is likely going to be an issue for the two of you, add in the fact that a LA or Phoenix data center is closest to the 8 of us that are stateside, it seems to make sense to pick a close physical server location. If we had people on the east coast, Chicago possibly would be a good "middle ground" choice, but we don't.

With that said, if we do decide to move, can we agree on a LA/Phoenix Data Center server, and a PvE server? That will knock off a few servers from the list of choices.
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#6734715 Sep 18, 2012 at 04:28 PM
Ewe is a Raider
15 Posts
after talking with mark and ishy in vent and reading this post it sounds like la/pheonix and pve so far.

when we were looking we used only 50/50 ratio or better we passed over lots of 40/60 45/55 splits to so i think we can now include those ishy to expand our west coast list keeping the other criteria as much as possible ill be on most the night if u want to dig some moar wheeeeeeeeeee
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#6735086 Sep 18, 2012 at 05:51 PM · Edited 5 years ago
Ewe is a Raider
17 Posts
Just a note on server types. They're not as different as you'd think. Let's take pvp for example. Some people think that on a pvp realm all that happens is you getting ganked by rogues and kittys. That's typically not the case. People have shit to do, dailys to get done, ect. If all they did was pvp they wouldn't get anything done. As to where on a pve server you get this "omfg, its flagged kill it!!" syndrome. On a pvp server its more of a resource where most of it breaks out over nodes or over farmed mobs.

RP servers are much the same, not everyone is running around in character spouting a faux Elizabethan dialect. While there are some of those douchbags around, most of the people there are just really into their characters willing to put in extra time to make sure their toons look just right.

In my opinion, I don't think it would matter as much as some people think to pick a different type. I think we should be looking at server pop, fullness of auction house, location and number of decent raid guilds. Opening up to other types would give us many more options.

Plus, I was bored and felt like ranting. Thanks for listening.
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